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Zombie Bomb FAIL
« on: January 28, 2011, 09:07:07 AM »
LOL went into zombie bomb today and this happened, I got accused of not being a 1up and they got mad i was not admin
Read what is in red, will make you laugh
Dont ban them, they were just trying to prove a false statement xD

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UI menu load time = 20 milli seconds
13 crosshairs parsed
CL_InitCGame: 13.87 seconds
38 msec to draw all images
Com_TouchMemory: 0 msec
#Dt|A.pPel joined the Zombie team.
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter= joined the Zombie team.
Destroy joined the Zombie team.
'v1P*Mamosh joined the Human team.
Axel joined the Zombie team.
-[SM]-SULTAN joined the Human team.
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER joined the Human team.
KinGman. joined the Zombie team.
***lord-simonis*** joined the Human team.
Mini_Me joined the Human team.
4fun[PL] joined the Human team.
jamel joined the Human team.
Stecathw joined the Zombie team.
Flame[1up] joined the Human team.
Axel entered the game
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter= entered the game
Mini_Me entered the game
jams entered the game
KinGman. entered the game
#Dt|A.pPel entered the game
***lord-simonis*** entered the game
4fun[PL] entered the game
-[SM]-SULTAN entered the game
Flame[1up] entered the game
Welcome. Visit 1up Clan at www.1upclan.info
nL|froggy entered the game
Stecathw entered the game
jamel entered the game
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER entered the game
Destroy entered the game
Stecathw: stop changing map nuub
KinGman.: kick voter
KinGman. got first kill!
KinGman. got first knife kill!
jamel was sliced a new orifice by KinGman..
#Dt|A.pPel: flame omg please make me humanxd

'v1P*Mamosh: omg .<
'v1P*Mamosh entered the game
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER was sliced a new orifice by #Dt|A.pPel.
You hit Stecathw in the Torso for 1% damage.
You hit Stecathw in the Head for 3% damage.
You hit Stecathw in the Head for 3% damage.
You hit Stecathw in the Torso for 1% damage.
You were hit in the Kevlar by Stecathw for 50% damage.
You hit Stecathw in the Torso for 1% damage.
Killed by Stecathw
You were hit in the Kevlar by Stecathw for 50% damage.
Flame[1up] was sliced a new orifice by Stecathw.
Stecathw had 90% Health.
jams has 1 headshot!
-[SM]-SULTAN was sliced a new orifice by jams.
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: lol sorrry apple <3
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: JMES KICK! !!
'XH.|AxeCollapse entered the game
'XH.|AxeCollapse disconnected
#Dt|A.pPel:
Mini_Me was sliced a new orifice by Stecathw.
4fun[PL] was sliced a new orifice by Stecathw.
(DEAD) Mini_Me: omf
The BOMB has been Planted!
'XH.|AxeCollapse connected
'XH.|AxeCollapse joined the Human team.
'XH.|AxeCollapse entered the game
(DEAD) Mini_Me: flame isnt in 1up
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: lol
First Kill goes to KinGman.!
First Knife Kill goes to KinGman.!
jams got most headshots!(1 headshots)
***lord-simonis*** was sliced a new orifice by Stecathw.
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: NUUUUUUUUUB SIMONIS
(DEAD) MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: LOL
[X_X]PDR connected
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: NUUUUUBB
(DEAD) Mini_Me: you dont use !veto
[X_X]PDR joined the Zombie team.
[X_X]PDR entered the game
'XH.|AxeCollapse entered the game
Flame[1up]: xD
'v1P*Mamosh: flame faker nuub
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER got first kill!
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER got first grenade kill!
Axel has become a nasty stain thanks to MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER's HE gren.
#Dt|A.pPel got first knife kill!
jamel was sliced a new orifice by #Dt|A.pPel.
Axel disconnected
Flame[1up]: go look on the site
(Bowser): Stecathw is on a 5 kill spree!

4fun[PL] was sliced a new orifice by Stecathw.
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter= has become a nasty stain thanks to MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER's
HE gren.
-[SM]-SULTAN was sliced a new orifice by Stecathw.
#Dt|A.pPel has become a nasty stain thanks to -[SM]-SULTAN's HE gren.
Destroy has become a nasty stain thanks to Mini_Me's HE gren.
Flame[1up]: www.1upclan.info
1up Auto-Admin, is watching you!
(DEAD) Destroy: wtf
You were hit in the Kevlar by Stecathw for 50% damage.
[X_X]PDR entered the game
Killed by Stecathw
You were hit in the Kevlar by Stecathw for 50% damage.
Flame[1up] was sliced a new orifice by Stecathw.
Stecathw had 31% Health.
(Bowser): 'v1P*Mamosh stopped Stecathw's killing spree!

Stecathw was taken out by 'v1P*Mamosh's PSG1. Plink!
(DEAD) Stecathw: lol
The BOMB has been Planted!
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: right under application Staff
(DEAD) =Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=: i got grenaded
Mini_Me was sliced a new orifice by KinGman..
(DEAD) #Dt|A.pPel: lol sombody watcihn me  :P
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER was sliced a new orifice by KinGman..
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: GO G R E N A D E S
(DEAD) Destroy: we both died
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: and if i was a fake
'v1P*Mamosh was sliced a new orifice by nL|froggy.
(DEAD) =Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=:  i know
(DEAD) 'v1P*Mamosh: pff
(DEAD) #Dt|A.pPel: FLAME i have here a good place
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: bowser would kick me
(DEAD) #Dt|A.pPel: please make me human
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: no
(DEAD) Mini_Me: simonis ded :D
BOMB will blow up in 3 seconds
(DEAD) MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: STOP ASKIN 2 BE BLUE
BOMB will blow up in 2 seconds
BOMB will blow up in 1 second
***lord-simonis*** was bombed.
(DEAD) #Dt|A.pPel: SULTAN u have lcuky
(DEAD) =Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=: sultan u r slack
(DEAD) #Dt|A.pPel: u have humn
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(DEAD) MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: he cant put you blue nuub
-[SM]-SULTAN: ?
-[SM]-SULTAN: WHAT DO AOU EANT FROM ME
KinGman. has become a nasty stain thanks to Mini_Me's HE gren.
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Head for 3% damage.
You were hit in the Arms by [X_X]PDR for 28% damage.
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
#Dt|A.pPel: dont say me a ****
You hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
(DEAD) KinGman.: :o
-[SM]-SULTAN: WANT
[X_X]PDR bled to death from Flame[1up]'s attacks.
(DEAD) KinGman.: ****ing you
-[SM]-SULTAN: ME
Mini_Me got himself some lovin' from nL|froggy's boot o' passion.
nL|froggy bled to death from MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER's attacks.
(DEAD) KinGman.: flame you no are admin?
'XH.|AxeCollapse managed to sheath Stecathw's flying knife in their flesh.
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=:  go adam
(DEAD) nL|froggy: ****
jamel was kicked
Stecathw was BBQ'ed by 'v1P*Mamosh's exploding monkey.
(DEAD) nL|froggy: lol
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER was sliced a new orifice by #Dt|A.pPel.
Destroy: go ahmed
(DEAD) nL|froggy: ****
(DEAD) Stecathw: om.g
(DEAD) MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: omggggggg
Flame[1up]: no i am not an admin, but i am a 1up :D
The BOMB has been Planted!
1up Auto-Admin, is watching you!
 (www.1upclan.info): 1up Bans Cheaters & Assclowns
#Dt|A.pPel: montreal u see u nuub ...
(DEAD) nL|froggy: ***********************
 (1up Admin Console): 1up Server Rules
(Bowser): WARNING: Disrespect Admin = 3-Hour Temp-Ban.

*AoB*FurIIon) connected
*AoB*FurIIon) joined the Human team.
*AoB*FurIIon) entered the game
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(Bowser): (6) NO ARGUING over whether a spot is a glitch or not.

(Bowser): (7) NO SPAMMING the RADIO, CHAT, or VOTE.

Destroy has 1 headshot!
'v1P*Mamosh was sliced a new orifice by Destroy.
(Bowser): (8) NO IMPERSONATING 1up Admins, Refs, or Members.

(DEAD) 'v1P*Mamosh: omg
(Bowser): (9) ONLY 1up Clan Members wear the 1up tag.

(DEAD) MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: ? you kill me once n call me nuub? OMFG
(Bowser): (10) PLEASE POST suspected complaint demos at 1up Forum.

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*AoB*FurIIon) entered the game
4fun[PL] was sliced a new orifice by #Dt|A.pPel.
You were hit in the Kevlar by Destroy for 50% damage.
You hit Destroy in the Torso for 1% damage.
Killed by Destroy
You were hit in the Kevlar by Destroy for 50% damage.
Flame[1up] was sliced a new orifice by Destroy.
Destroy had 78% Health.
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter= got a whole lot of hole from -[SM]-SULTAN's DE round.
-[SM]-SULTAN was sliced a new orifice by Destroy.
BOMB will blow up in 3 seconds
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: .
BOMB will blow up in 2 seconds
1up Projects Page: www.1upclan.info/projects.php!
BOMB will blow up in 1 second
***lord-simonis*** was bombed.
(DEAD) =Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=: stuff u sultanes
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: GG BLUE!
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: hahahahaha
grandturismo5PS3 connected
Stecathw has become a nasty stain thanks to MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER's HE gren.
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=:  iwll will eat u
(DEAD) Stecathw: ****
grandturismo5PS3 joined the Zombie team.
grandturismo5PS3 entered the game
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: {-_-}
-[SM]-SULTAN was sliced a new orifice by #Dt|A.pPel.
You hit #Dt|A.pPel in the Torso for 1% damage.
You hit #Dt|A.pPel in the Torso for 1% damage.
You were hit in the Kevlar by #Dt|A.pPel for 50% damage.
Killed by #Dt|A.pPel
You hit #Dt|A.pPel in the Torso for 1% damage.
You were hit in the Kevlar by #Dt|A.pPel for 50% damage.
Flame[1up] was sliced a new orifice by #Dt|A.pPel.
#Dt|A.pPel had 91% Health.
nL|froggy has become a nasty stain thanks to Mini_Me's HE gren.
Destroy was BBQ'ed by Mini_Me's exploding monkey.
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: HAHAHA APPLE
(DEAD) Destroy: wtf
grandturismo5PS3 entered the game
(DEAD) nL|froggy: ******lox
#Dt|A.pPel bled to death from ***lord-simonis***'s attacks.
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: HAHAHA APPLE YOU KILLED ME!!!
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: xD
(DEAD) nL|froggy: ********* l o x
(DEAD) #Dt|A.pPel: hehe
[X_X]PDR was BBQ'ed by *AoB*FurIIon)'s exploding monkey.
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter= was turned into peppered steak by 'XH.|AxeCollapse's SPAS
blast.
KinGman. has become a nasty stain thanks to MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER's HE gren.
(DEAD) KinGman.: :O
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: {-_-}
(DEAD) nL|froggy: n
(DEAD) KinGman.: wall
grandturismo5PS3 disconnected
(DEAD) nL|froggy: o
(DEAD) KinGman.: hack
(DEAD) Destroy: o
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: go james camper
(DEAD) nL|froggy: o
(DEAD) KinGman.: XD
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: deeeaadddd
(DEAD) nL|froggy: b
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: KING STFU
***lord-simonis*** was SLAPPED! by the Admin
(Bowser): ***lord-simonis*** was KILLED for GLITCHING.

***lord-simonis*** killed himself.
(DEAD) nL|froggy: b
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: slap?
KinGman. disconnected
(DEAD) nL|froggy: l
(DEAD) Destroy: O
(DEAD) nL|froggy: o
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: YOU'VE BEEN SLAP BY ANTI GLITCH NEW SYSTEM (LOVE IT)!
(DEAD) nL|froggy: x
(DEAD) nL|froggy: lol
'v1P*Mamosh: flame you dont a admin
Please post complaint demos at 1up Forum.
Connect with other players by visiting www.1upclan.info!
(DEAD) Stecathw: omg jams nuub ...
(DEAD) =Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=: sultanas go to bed it late
-[SM]-SULTAN joined the Zombie team.
-[SM]-SULTAN entered the game
'v1P*Mamosh: you are not in the clan to
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: !ci kill jams
'v1P*Mamosh: you have **** score
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: lol
First Knife Kill goes to #Dt|A.pPel!
First Kill goes to MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER!
First Grenade Kill goes to MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER!
Destroy got most headshots!(1 headshots)
jams bled to death from Mini_Me's attacks.
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER: OMG FLAME EVERY1 HERE IS NUUB
|S&H|Fiasco connected
(DEAD) Stecathw: nuub
Flame[1up]: wow thx
|S&H|Fiasco joined the Human team.
|S&H|Fiasco entered the game
Destroy: nuub
Mini_Me: spox
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=:  so u can grow and then i can eat u
Flame[1up]: and where's your proof i am not in the clan
*AoB*FurIIon) has 1 headshot!
*AoB*FurIIon) got first kill!
Stecathw got shredded to pieces by *AoB*FurIIon)'s Negev
MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER got first grenade kill!
jams has become a nasty stain thanks to MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER's HE gren.
(DEAD) Stecathw: nuub
'v1P*Mamosh renamed to 'v1P*Mamosh[1up]
'v1P*Mamosh[1up]: here
nL|froggy has become a nasty stain thanks to MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER's HE gren.
-[SM]-SULTAN has become a nasty stain thanks to Mini_Me's HE gren.
(DEAD) nL|froggy: ****
|S&H|Fiasco entered the game
'v1P*Mamosh[1up]: i can it do too
(DEAD) -[SM]-SULTAN: KICK!
(Bowser): MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER is on a 5 kill spree!

Destroy got a whole lot of hole from MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER's DE round.
Flame[1up]: lol
#Dt|A.pPel got first knife kill!
4fun[PL] was sliced a new orifice by #Dt|A.pPel.
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter= bled to death from MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER's attacks.
Flame[1up]: wait for it
-[SM]-SULTAN disconnected
(DEAD) Destroy: wtf
-[SM]-SULTAN connected
(DEAD) =Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=: wtf what adam
You were hit in the Kevlar by #Dt|A.pPel for 50% damage.
Killed by #Dt|A.pPel
You were hit in the Kevlar by #Dt|A.pPel for 50% damage.
Flame[1up] was sliced a new orifice by #Dt|A.pPel.
#Dt|A.pPel had 100% Health.
|S&H|Fiasco joined the Zombie team.
|S&H|Fiasco entered the game
-[SM]-SULTAN joined the Human team.
-[SM]-SULTAN entered the game
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: ...
-[SM]-SULTAN entered the game
'v1P*Mamosh[1up]: come o
'v1P*Mamosh[1up]: kick me !

Delta parseEntitiesNum too old.
Delta parseEntitiesNum too old.
(Bowser): Bowser: I do not recognize 'v1P*Mamosh[1up] as a valid [1up]
member, bye bye.


(DEAD) =Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=:  far out i am not good with red
'v1P*Mamosh[1up] disconnected
'XH.|AxeCollapse (Catwalk): I have the bomb
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: xD
(DEAD) Destroy: ahmed what time are you waking up
(DEAD) Flame[1up]: take that
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse was hit in the Legs by [X_X]PDR for 19% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse was hit in the Legs by [X_X]PDR for 19% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse was hit in the Legs by [X_X]PDR for 19% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
#Dt|A.pPel has become a nasty stain thanks to *AoB*FurIIon)'s HE gren.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse hit [X_X]PDR in the Torso for 1% damage.
'XH.|AxeCollapse was hit in the Legs by [X_X]PDR for 19% damage.
First Knife Kill goes to #Dt|A.pPel!
First Kill goes to *AoB*FurIIon)!
First Grenade Kill goes to MONTREAL'Z.BUTCHER!
*AoB*FurIIon) got most headshots!(1 headshots)
[X_X]PDR bled to death from 'XH.|AxeCollapse's attacks.
(DEAD) nL|froggy: lol
MasterTom connected
'XH.|AxeCollapse: :DDD
=Snip3r=Sxc=Booter=: probably 10
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Offline Sandra

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Re: Zombie Bomb FAIL
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2011, 09:09:46 AM »
ROFL! OWNED NOOB.  :P
Learn from your parents' mistakes, use birth control!

Those of you who think you know everything are annoying those of us who do.

If I want your opinion, I'll read it in your entrails.

Offline Flame[1up]

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Re: Zombie Bomb FAIL
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2011, 07:05:05 PM »
was the highlight of my day, been a while since i have been accused of that xD

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Re: Zombie Bomb FAIL
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2011, 07:24:21 PM »
Hahaha that's funny  :D

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Re: Zombie Bomb FAIL
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2011, 07:38:22 PM »
Oh, the humanity of it.  Thx lil buddy.  Made my day.

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Re: Zombie Bomb FAIL
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2011, 08:04:11 PM »
LOL that was an epic fail !

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Re: Zombie Bomb FAIL
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2011, 08:33:05 PM »
Flame you are a winnaarr!!  8)

Look how people treat their inferiors, not their superiors.

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Re: Zombie Bomb FAIL
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 05:30:16 PM »
LOL wait for it.... xD

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Re: Zombie Bomb FAIL
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2011, 08:41:19 PM »
I love seeing my handy work ... at work!

That's just classic flame, "wait for it", haha
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Re: Zombie Bomb FAIL
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2011, 08:42:50 PM »
LOL yeah it saves our non-ref's buts all the time xD