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Discussions => General Discussion => Topic started by: April on October 14, 2012, 05:56:45 AM
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If I had it my way I'd make a rating system in 3 - 5 areas (activity, personality, dedication etc.) I dunno though, that may just overcomplicate things.
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If I had it my way I'd make a rating system in 3 - 5 areas (activity, personality, dedication etc.) I dunno though, that may just overcomplicate things.
Now that seems interesting, April. Could you provide a working concept sketch of this voting idea you expressed? Show me what the poll would look like, but keep in mind that we would still use a 70% pass v. 31% fail ratio.
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If I had it my way I'd make a rating system in 3 - 5 areas (activity, personality, dedication etc.) I dunno though, that may just overcomplicate things.
Now that seems interesting, April. Could you provide a working concept sketch of this voting idea you expressed? Show me what the poll would look like, but keep in mind that we would still use a 70% pass v. 31% fail ratio.
This does sound interesting
Each area could score 100 points and in the end add up to total points.
I have no idea how you would include personality though, Going to be a long time till I can make a bot interpret personality.
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That's sounds really cool, I would resign then re-apply just to see what I got in that new system :P
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If I had it my way I'd make a rating system in 3 - 5 areas (activity, personality, dedication etc.) I dunno though, that may just overcomplicate things.
Now that seems interesting, April. Could you provide a working concept sketch of this voting idea you expressed? Show me what the poll would look like, but keep in mind that we would still use a 70% pass v. 31% fail ratio.
I'd love to! I'll start on it right now ^^
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That's sounds really cool, I would resign then re-apply just to see what did I got in that new system :P
A score of 2 in the Grammar Section. :P
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melo you voted f2 because you think I'm to young,
and therefore not capable of fulfilling my 1up duty's :P
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i vote solely on the 0 gaming hrs btw all and if i would have seen u on the fun sever i would have vote otherwise u can always reapply rt never to late if u want to join the clan gl
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If I had it my way I'd make a rating system in 3 - 5 areas (activity, personality, dedication etc.) I dunno though, that may just overcomplicate things.
Now that seems interesting, April. Could you provide a working concept sketch of this voting idea you expressed? Show me what the poll would look like, but keep in mind that we would still use a 70% pass v. 31% fail ratio.
I'd love to! I'll start on it right now ^^
this sounds like a great idea. this reminds me of the military promotion system. with us you graded on multiple section and need a certain amount of points total to get promoted.
grading someoen on multiple aspects is a great idea
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If I had it my way I'd make a rating system in 3 - 5 areas (activity, personality, dedication etc.) I dunno though, that may just overcomplicate things.
April,
I started trying to work on your idea. This is a rough view of another type of voting mod.
In this mod you can allow a single vote x number of points and you can allow x number of points to be given to any category made.
In the below poll I gave voters a maximum of 5 points to use. Each category has a maximum of 2 points.
(http://i.imgur.com/4biPF.png?1)
As you can see, I voted there and used up my 5 points, but only on the sections I want to vote the person for --all or some points can be used. I am not sure how to incorporate an F1 and F2 into this, but this is a start towards your concept.
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If I had it my way I'd make a rating system in 3 - 5 areas (activity, personality, dedication etc.) I dunno though, that may just overcomplicate things.
April,
I started trying to work on your idea. This is a rough view of another type of voting mod.
In this mod you can allow a single vote x number of points and you can allow x number of points to be given to any category made.
In the below poll I gave voters a maximum of 5 points to use. Each category has a maximum of 2 points.
(http://i.imgur.com/4biPF.png?1)
As you can see, I voted there and used up my 5 points, but only on the sections I want to vote the person for --all or some points can be used. I am not sure how to incorporate an F1 and F2 into this, but this is a start towards your concept.
looks good so far.
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this sounds like a great idea. this reminds me of the military promotion system. with us you graded on multiple section and need a certain amount of points total to get promoted.
grading someoen on multiple aspects is a great idea
Reminds me of an NCOER
Non Commissioned Officer Evaluation Report.
In a NCOER, all bullets, or explanations require some form of reason behind the good or bad examples.
If I was to say that Evil Chipmunk is the best player there is, I would need to give examples to why I think so. The same for negative bullets. If for example I say that Evil Chipmunk is not a team player, I would also have to give my reason for saying so. The military format is good to have, and implementing something like that for voting seems like a well thought idea. However, if the good or bad votes do not have a reason behind them, then the vote is just hearsay.
Not to bring up another thread, but I recall a vote happened for an individual, and the reason did not seem very legitimate to me. A reason of "Because I said so." did not sit well with me and that vote should have been dismissed or not counted. Then again, the individual did not need to state they made the negative vote either, since it is supposed to be anonymous right?
In closing, I feel like the expansion of ideas for the voting system is a good idea, but if comments could be added as well, and the comments kept hidden from everyone except the one counting the votes, it would be a well worth voting system. Then again, it would also depend on the non-biased individual that counts them.
I think I have said enough. Now, on to the fun server!
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Nice suggestion there Cope.
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this sounds like a great idea. this reminds me of the military promotion system. with us you graded on multiple section and need a certain amount of points total to get promoted.
grading someoen on multiple aspects is a great idea
Reminds me of an NCOER
Non Commissioned Officer Evaluation Report.
In a NCOER, all bullets, or explanations require some form of reason behind the good or bad examples.
If I was to say that Evil Chipmunk is the best player there is, I would need to give examples to why I think so. The same for negative bullets. If for example I say that Evil Chipmunk is not a team player, I would also have to give my reason for saying so. The military format is good to have, and implementing something like that for voting seems like a well thought idea. However, if the good or bad votes do not have a reason behind them, then the vote is just hearsay.
Not to bring up another thread, but I recall a vote happened for an individual, and the reason did not seem very legitimate to me. A reason of "Because I said so." did not sit well with me and that vote should have been dismissed or not counted. Then again, the individual did not need to state they made the negative vote either, since it is supposed to be anonymous right?
In closing, I feel like the expansion of ideas for the voting system is a good idea, but if comments could be added as well, and the comments kept hidden from everyone except the one counting the votes, it would be a well worth voting system. Then again, it would also depend on the non-biased individual that counts them.
I think I have said enough. Now, on to the fun server!
i agree. the ncoer is a great thing. here are some things from that i believe should be added
a "bullet" for eaach section. user types in reasons.
3 point system "unsatisfactory" "satisfactory" "exceeds standards" or something like that. more like a -1 or +2 system.
like or dont like should not count for more than one point.
speaking of ncoer's......
not saying any admins are bad. not at all......but i think occasionally people in charge, admins. etc should get performance reviews. incase people think one is slacking or bad......again, not saying any are bad
same could be done with members. give you an idea who is suited for admin, etc, or suited to be removed
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This is what i think is the idea however im not sure it would be possible
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This is what i think is the idea however im not sure it would be possible
In order for us to develop this as a voting mod we need to figure out how to make X number of categories add up to trial or full member.
There is going to be some math involved that translates percentages.
I am thinking we should do a split poll, where there is a positive and negative voting field, then the sum and difference between the two determine F1 (trial), F1 (full) or F2 (denial). So imagine it like this:
Some Person's Admission Vote
| Activity | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (+) Score: | xxxx% | | |
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| Activity | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (-) Score: | xxxx% | | |
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This could easily be done in an excel spreadsheet ill take a look at it when i get home
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This could easily be done in an excel spreadsheet ill take a look at it when i get home
Right now we are exploring the concept. Once we get the math and the look to make sense, then we can get the mod coded.
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This is what i think is the idea however im not sure it would be possible
(http://www.1upclan.info/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12761.0;attach=14284;image)
that would be great.
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Made a spreadsheet :D
(http://www.1upclan.info/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12761.0;attach=14286;image)
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Made a spreadsheet :D
What does not make sense to me is how you have a field for "full member" and not trial or denial.
It looks like you want people to give 0 to 100 % mark on each field.
So a voter could just give 71% on your "full member" field.
I am ingesting your idea and will gain better insight through it.
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Made a spreadsheet :D
What does not make sense to me is how you have a field for "full member" and not trial or denial.
It looks like you want people to give 0 to 100 % mark on each field.
So a voter could just give 71% on your "full member" field.
I am ingesting your idea and will gain better insight through it.
I only added this as i could not think of another way for the auto full member option
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This is what i think is the idea however im not sure it would be possible
In order for us to develop this as a voting mod we need to figure out how to make X number of categories add up to trial or full member.
There is going to be some math involved that translates percentages.
I am thinking we should do a split poll, where there is a positive and negative voting field, then the sum and difference between the two determine F1 (trial), F1 (full) or F2 (denial). So imagine it like this:
Some Person's Admission Vote
| Activity | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (+) Score: | xxxx% | | |
| | | | | | | | | |
| Activity | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (-) Score: | xxxx% | | |
i like it as "likability" better like you said than like or dislike....shows not that you like them exactly, but if people could like them....ie not a retard
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Made a spreadsheet :D
What does not make sense to me is how you have a field for "full member" and not trial or denial.
It looks like you want people to give 0 to 100 % mark on each field.
So a voter could just give 71% on your "full member" field.
I am ingesting your idea and will gain better insight through it.
I only added this as i could not think of another way for the auto full member option
make a selection box, full, trial. each selection could auto put the amount of points. just a single selection and not a 1-100 base maybe.
then maybe one for a deny. a -100 point thing, but then requires a reason typed in for it if selected
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If I had it my way I'd make a rating system in 3 - 5 areas (activity, personality, dedication etc.) I dunno though, that may just overcomplicate things.
April,
I started trying to work on your idea. This is a rough view of another type of voting mod.
In this mod you can allow a single vote x number of points and you can allow x number of points to be given to any category made.
In the below poll I gave voters a maximum of 5 points to use. Each category has a maximum of 2 points.
(http://i.imgur.com/4biPF.png?1)
As you can see, I voted there and used up my 5 points, but only on the sections I want to vote the person for --all or some points can be used. I am not sure how to incorporate an F1 and F2 into this, but this is a start towards your concept.
It looks really nice, maybe we can find a way to give people who have submitted more than 1 application a slight bonus to encourage them to try again if denied. It is also hard to distinguish dedication from activity, seeing how they are very similar. I like the idea though! I think it will work ^^
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Alright, we can keep the current vote system by just expanding it. Each voting member would get 5 points to spread out on the options. Each option can have 1 point added (but you only have 5 points). This works because there are 5 categories.
Perhaps you think a person has "Dedication" for F1 Full, so you put a point there; and "Preference" for F1 Trial so you put a point there; and 3 points spread out on F2 Denial for the other categories.
Some Person's Admission Vote
F1 (Trial) Options
| Activity | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (+) Score: | xxxx% | |
F1 (Full) Options
| Activity | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (+) Score: | xxxx% | |
F2 (Denial) Options
| Activity | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (-) Score: | xxxx% | |
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Alright, we can keep the current vote system by just expanding it. Each voting member would get 5 points to spread out on the options. Each option can have 1 point added (but you only have 5 points). This works because there are 5 categories.
Perhaps you think a person has "Dedication" for F1 Full, so you put a point there; and "Preference" for F1 Trial so you put a point there; and 3 points spread out on F2 Denial for the other categories.
Some Person's Admission Vote
F1 (Trial) Options
| Activity | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (+) Score: | xxxx% | |
F1 (Full) Options
| Activity | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (+) | | Positive Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (+) Score: | xxxx% | |
F2 (Denial) Options
| Activity | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Personality | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Dedication | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Likability | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| Preference | | (-) | | Negative Score | ___% | | | | |
| | | | | | Subtotal (-) Score: | xxxx% | |
something about this just seems so......complicated. i like where its going, but maybe we can simplify it a little
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Hmm, maybe something like this?
Possible three votes per area.
1= Deny
2 = Trial
3 = Full
2 Activity
3 Personality
1 Dedication
3 Likability
2 Preference
Basically an oversimplified version of what you just did. The above would have a trial member.
5-8 = deny
9-12 = trial
13-15= full
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Hmm, maybe something like this?
Possible three votes per area.
1= Deny
2 = Trial
3 = Full
2 Activity
3 Personality
1 Dedication
3 Likability
2 Preference
Basically an oversimplified version of what you just did. The above would have a trial member.
5-8 = deny
9-12 = trial
13-15= full
that seems alot more simplified. but still missing.........something. but its improving
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just make it simple.. if theres too much detail, some people wont take the time to vote
like some kind of point system for example.
full = 3 pts
trial= 2 pts
deny= -1pts
add all together and see where it lies on the scale
anything under a certain amount of points will be denied.. etc etc.
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The whole point of expanding the voting system is to show the applicant why he or she was denied or approved, this allows them to improve their weak areas and have a better approach in future applications ^^
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I just went on a rule of thirds when I simplified it.
If one needs to simplify the thirds, then deny can have a zero value.
0 - 5 = deny
6 - 10 = trial
11 - 15 = full
1. category = 3
2. category = 2
3. category = 0
4. category = 1
5. category = 0
End result of six, Trial member.
Of course the numbers for each category can vary, for instance to make it harder to become a full member the trial numbers could be 6 - 12, or even 8 - 12, which would also make it easier to be denied. This of course would be based for an individual vote. Simply take total numbers and divide accordingly.
Once the established voting system is in place, changing it would be someone higher up on the food chain.
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how bout we just flip a coin and have the applicant call out heads or tails in mid-air
reason for denial: you called heads when it was tails, please try again in x amount of days.
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how bout we just flip a coin and have the applicant call out heads or tails in mid-air
reason for denial: you called heads when it was tails, please try again in x amount of days.
LIKE
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how bout we just flip a coin and have the applicant call out heads or tails in mid-air
reason for denial: you called heads when it was tails, please try again in x amount of days.
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